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What would be your preference and why, a Subaru Forester or a Hyundai Santa Fe? I'm in the market to replace a car.

IMHO the subaru is a much better designed and built car with less issues overall. Hyundai’s are known for electrical issues and leaks. Subaru’s did have a bad reputation for head gaskets but that’s no longer an issue from 2010 onwards.

Which car has the overall better engine, a 2018 Subaru Forester, a 2018 Subaru Outback, or a 2018 Toyota RAV4?

This really depends. Let’s check all the options, because there are multiple engines available in each of these vehicles. Forester: 175hp, 174 ftlb 2.5L H4 NA engine “FB25” 250hp, 258 ftlb 2.0L H4 turbocharged engine “FA20F” Outback: 175hp, 174 ftlb 2.5L H4 NA engine “FB25” 256hp, 247 ftlb 3.6L H6 NA engine “EZ36” RAV4: 176hp, 172 ftlb 2.5L I4 NA engine 176hp, 172 ftlb 2.5L I4 NA engine plus a 3-motor hybrid system that brings the total to 194hp Now, let’s start with the two Subarus, since they’re more similar. First - the base model engine option (NA 2.5L) is exactly the same engine in both vehicles. No difference there. Next - the 250hp premium engine option in the Forester is the turbocharged engine from the same year WRX, slightly detuned. Last - the 256hp premium engine option in the Outback is an H6 instead of an H4, and is naturally aspirated. It’s essentially I’ve been a Subaru owner long enough to know a few things about Subaru’s typical issues. First of all, these are F series engines. I am not as familiar with them, I’m more familiar with the EF12, EJ22, EJ25, and EZ30D. However, Subaru has never made a 2.5L H4 that was actually reliable. People who love Subarus generally claim that the most recent design “has fixed all the issues” which goes out the window as soon as they get to be 5 or 10 years old, then they all start exploding for 2–3 common reasons. Their turbocharged engines are typically equipped with some sort of a fatal flaw as well, though their 2.0L has historically been better than the 2.5, at least. I’m not sure if the FA and FB series engines have suffered as poorly as the EJ series did, but I won’t be at all surprised if it happens. On the other hand - aside from the ER27 of the 80s, their H6 engine offerings are typically excellent. Their EG33 and EZ30D engines (both H6s) are legendarily bulletproof, and I would expect the EZ36 to follow in its footsteps - in fact most people consider the EZ36 to be even better than the EZ30D. Typical issues are timing chain noise and occasionally blown head gaskets, but far less frequent than the EJ25. So if I had to choose one of the two Subarus you asked about, I would go with the Outback equipped with the H6 engine option, no question about it. Now, on to the Toyota. In my opinion, Toyota is one of the most reliable auto manufacturers on the market. The only engine option you have on the 2018 RAV4 is their 2.5L I4, so it’s not really an engine decision so much as whether you want a normal gas powered vehicle or a gas/electric hybrid with the same engine, a little more oomph provided by the hybrid system, and a slight bump in power and towing capability. However, your question was… which is better. I’m not sure what your metrics are, but: I would expect the RAV4 engine and hybrid option to be about equally reliable, and about equally reliable to the Outback w/ the EZ36 H6 engine. All 3 of these options are going to be far more reliable than the base Subaru engine or the turbo Forester engine, IMO. Others may disagree. It also depends on what mileage and age you expect to sell the car at… if you don’t expect to own it past 100k, I’d expect them to be about equal reliability wise across the board. If you want power, I’d certainly recommend the EZ36 Outback or the FA20F Forester. In my opinion, the EZ36 Outback is the superior vehicle of the two. I’ll not delve into fuel economy as you can read the window sticker for comparison purposes on that subject.

Is the Honda C-RV overrated?

My simple opinion is no, they are not. We purchased a 2019 new mid-trim level CR-V, after extensively comparing it to the Toyota RAV4, Ford Escape, Subaru Forester, and the VW Toureg. In the end, the Honda won out. The model was affordable, came with everything we needed/wanted, has an attractive design inside and out, great gas mileage, very comfortable to drive, and has quality components throughout. We have owned the vehicle for more than one year now and I do not think we could have done better. Mechanical, electrical issues have been zero. Even the wear and tear on the tires have been minimal. I have owned a Nissen Sentra, a VW Rabbit, a Subaru Legacy, Dodge Stratus, Jeep Wrangler, Hyundai Tucson, and a Honda Accord. The CR-V bests them all, except for maybe the Jeep- that one is my baby.

How well does a CVT transmission work when fitted to a hybrid vehicle such as a Subaru Forester or Toyota RAV4 Hybrid? Are there any reliability issues?

Thanks for the ATA. I can’t say much about the Forester, which isn’t available as a hybrid in the US. My understanding is that it is essentially a parallel hybrid, where the electric motor simple adds to the engine's power. So the CVT is similar to, or the same, as in the one the petrol/gasoline version, and will have similar issues with performance and reliability. Toyota calls their hybrid transmission an eCVT, which is not the same as a CVT. It is better to call it a Power Split Device. It is what combines the engine and motors. It is very smooth and reliable.

Will Hyundai beat Toyota? Why?

Well, with this saying from ,Samrat Sen,’s answer to ,‘Will Hyundai beat Toyota? Why?,’ from two years ago (2018): ‘India is a country where we buy what everyone else is buying. Keeping this fact in mind it is pretty clear that Hyundai stands a better chance than Toyota, because of its wide product range and superior consumer outreach. Though I am somewhat compelled to say that it is very rare, that a Toyota loyalist shall switch brands as Toyota cars have always been known for their superior reliability along with value-for-money cars and longivity of their vehicles.’ ‘Now with rumours flying around that, KIA, Hyundai’s sibling brand is set to arrive in India or has rather arrived, the dynamics of this argument shall change completely.’ ‘Currently, Toyota is struggling to place products in every segment of the automotive sector whereas, Hyundai has got lined up one or two products in each segment to satisfy the need of consumers of varied economic backgrounds.’ ‘So, yes probably Hyundai has an upper hand over Toyota, with its low maintenance cost playing a key role in this scenario.’ - ,Samrat Sen's answer to Will Hyundai beat Toyota? Why? So, this means Subaru could just prefer reengineering their cars (like the Impreza, Levorg, Forester, and Outback, and not even BRZ) as Japanese versions of Hyundai/Kia vehicles and not adopted siblings to Toyotas. Just like when Toyota too requested BMW (and not itself) to develop the A90 Supra for them. (see: ,Toyota Supra A90... don't hate who made it - MotoFomo,), which means more Subaru cars (sans the BRZ grand tourer) could behave like Hyundai/Kia cars than Subaru (itself) and Toyota (in terms of the chassis, engines, drivetrains and even transmissions as well), as listed below: Impreza -> i30/,Ceed Levorg, -> with the ,[Hyundai] i40, gone, probably a stretched out chassis of the i30/Ceed since the current generation [Hyundai] Sonata is not sold in Europe (plus the UK and Ireland) either XV (aka Crosstrek) -> probably Tucson/Sportage Forester -> probably Tucson (once called as ix35 in its Mk2 form)/Sportage too Outback -> Santa Fe/Sorento And more, as long as Hyundai/Kia (with Toyota) could donate more money to Subaru under legal procedures, therefore Subaru too could only learn from Hyundai/Kia to make a ,city car, and even a ,supermini, in some later years or decades time… Especially, even outside the USA and Canada, Hyundai/Kia has more vehicles in their combined lineup (hence they are good in making all forms of cars than [the Japanese] Toyota and Subaru), thus more production output than Toyota, and also, Subaru. Hence the reason why Toyota decided itself to go bust in India, as long as they (Toyota) own a stake in Suzuki (in regards of its (Suzuki’s) deeply strong presence in India), while Subaru on the other hand, is deeply non-existent in the fourth biggest economy and second populous country in the world. Thus the last time Subaru was present in India was at that time they (Subaru) were part of General Motors from 1999 to 2005 (the year GM sold Subaru to Toyota and not Hyundai), when they sold the Mk2 Subaru Forester SUV as the ‘Chevrolet Forester’. (hence the image seen below:) Especially to know deeply that Hyundai/Kia engines from the 2000s to present are better in fuel/electric economy, reliability, durability, value, and others than that of Toyota and even Subaru, hence those articles from below: ❤️ Subaru Engine Problems ❤️ Everything You Need to Know, (‘Despite Subaru’s track record for reliable vehicles, their 2.5 L engine has become almost infamous in the automobile industry for having problems. Specifically, these engines have been susceptible to leaking head gaskets and it was such an ongoing issue that it almost became a joke amongst mechanics. The issue cropped up in the 1990s and simply wouldn’t go away. Generally speaking, when an automaker becomes aware of a problem, especially one in the engine, it might last for a few model years until they get the problem worked out. For whatever reason, Subaru is just not able to overcome this issue and kept it going for far longer than it should have.’) How Reliable are Subaru? An Honest Assessment | OSV, (‘Even if you have never looked at a Subaru yourself, you probably would have heard of the Forester. This compact SUV comes in about average for reliability, scoring a reliability index of 111. However, this is completely overshadowed by their extortionate average repair costs at £955.08. The Forester is also off the road for quite some time, with an average time of 4.47 hours. The axle and suspension appears to be the main problem, accounting for 38.46% of all problems, followed by the engine.’) The 4 Subaru Models Most Likely To Need Expensive Engine Repairs, (‘The Subaru EJ25 2.5-liter Boxer is the engine that has experienced the most problems for the Japanese automaker. The gasket material they used in this engine was unreliable and Subaru attempted to correct the issue in 1999 with an updated multilayered metal shim gasket. But some 2001-2009 engines still had the problem. Consumer Reports says the older Subaru models using this engine will typically start to have head gasket issues around 90,000 to 150,000 miles. The reason the Boxer engine seems to be more prone to have this problem is because of the engine design.’) Toyota unearths cylinder problem in Ogier’s engine, (‘“The only thing we know at this moment is that cylinder one was not functioning,” added Fowler. “We had a look inside the engine when the car came back from the stages, we drove the camera around inside [the cylinder] and from this we determined number one is no longer functional. “Until the engine has been disassembled and some very in-depth study made it’s very difficult to say what damage we see inside is as a result of the engine failing and what actually started it to fail.’) - ,Genda Nicolai Yturzaeta Iwakawa, spelled backwards as awakawI ateazrutY ialociN adneG, (sorry for this…)

If you can readily afford a Prius but can gradually pay off a Tesla, which option would you go for? Why?

Whether it’s a Prius hybrid or the plug-in version (Prius Prime), I would rather buy a Tesla Model 3 if I could afford it. Let me say that I’m someone who insists on value in the cars I buy. I want a nice car, but also an economical car, and the best way I know to minimize cost of ownership is to buy an automobile new, take good care of it, and operate it for 10 to 15 years. In that way, depreciation is a non issue. Over a decade or more, the original purchase price becomes less than the other costs of ownership. I only consider cars that are durable, reliable, and have a body style that holds its appeal for years. I bought my Subaru Forester new in 2000. It’s nearing 200,000 miles and still looks great and runs well, but it’s time to catch up with the technological advances that cars offer today. Without even having seen a Tesla Model 3 up close, much less drive one, I’ve reserved a place in line to buy one later this year. I admit that I’m taking a risk doing so, but I’ve concluded that even at twice the price of my Subaru 18 years ago, it’s the best value on the market today for what I need in a car. That won’t be true for everyone, of course, but compared to a Prius, there’s no contest in my mind. From a durability, reliability, and styling standpoint, I expect to own my Model 3 for many years. All-electric cars tend toward durability. They don’t wear out the way ICE vehicles do. Historical data show that the battery pack on the Tesla will maintain at least 90% of its charge capacity for the life of the car if you take good care of it. Aluminum body panels should minimize corrosion, and unlike my Subaru which lacks many of the digital features of new cars today, my Tesla will have cutting edge features for years thanks to new capabilities added in the same way computers are — with over-the-air updates. I like the fact that at some future date, I might well be able to add full self-driving capabilities to the car since all the necessary hardware is already there. The Tesla Model 3 is about as future proof as a car can be at this time. Having to buy a new car every few years to take advantage of technical advances is not very budget wise if you’re trying to save for other more important things. There’s no reliability data for the Model 3 at this time. The Model S and Model X had reliability issues early on, but both cars are much more complex than the Model 3. Consumer Report ranks it as ‘average’ reliability, but I expect it will do much better than average. The elimination of an engine and transmission will alone significantly drive up reliability. Most of the repairs on my Subaru were issues with the power train, particularly the emissions control components. I love that there’s no ‘check engine’ light on the Model 3. Gone are the assortment of failure prone controllers, switches, lamps, and knobs that populate a Prius and most other cars. There is one central computer that controls everything, and it can be diagnosed and updated while parked in my garage. Regular maintenance has been sharply reduced. Neither Prius can claim that. Finally, look at the styling of the two cars. Styling is a matter of personal taste, of course, but the design of the Tesla is elegant, minimalist, and will appear contemporary years from now. Tesla doesn’t use the ‘model year’ marketing approach to encourage you to trade your car in for the latest and greatest new model. The Model S looks almost the same today as it did when it first came out in 2012, and it still looks great. I like that about Tesla. And need I remind you that the performance and handling characteristics of a Model 3 have met with almost universal praise from reviewers. The Prius doesn’t come close. But, having said all that, good luck getting your hands on a Model 3 this year if you’re not already on the waiting list. If you need that new car now, the question is moot.

Is Subaru really that much better than other cars? Or do they just market better?

my family has owned 6 subarus, and my wife and I are on our 3rd subaru. we like ‘em. my mom got over 300,000 out of her last one. the benefit of subaru is this; it’s built as strong as a truck, but it’s a car. it’s got excellent 4wd, and they have building the same basic car since forever. I find them to be quite reliable, and they get good reviews on consumer reports. I know there is a strong market out there for older subarus, and I know of several shops that basically rebuild older ones, they are popular. a lot 4wd cars or SUV’s are not really built to handle off road, it’s more marketing. Subaru is built to thrive in some dirt. and not just the off road looking ones, the impreza and legacy handle well in snow and dirt. durable. We live on a dirt road, and our mazda was having all sorts of weird sensor issues as a result. the mechanic said, buy a truck. or a jeep. or a subaru. subaru it is. my wife wanted a car, not a truck. if you like fast, the impreza wrx and sti are excellent speedsters. be careful, a used on may have been driven HARD. If you like a car with good storage but still a little smaller than a truck, outback or forester is a great car. I have a 99 outback, 194000 and going strong. Older ones have some problems with head gaskets but I think they fixed this by mid 2000’s. in some parts of the world, such as CO, UT, places that see some real snow, Subarus’ are hugely popular. Other parts of the world, it’s not as big a deal, people don’t need the traction or the durability, there’s not as many sub’s out here in san diego. Subaru has a very good reputation among owners, ive heard a sales guy say it’s easy to sell, people already know they want a subaru when they come in. we love our subarus and our only hope is they build an electric. im putting in solar panels, but I am not sure a tesla can handle my road….

Have you ever owned a Subaru automobile? Would you recommend them?

I didn’t own one, had friends who did. One has a Impreza STi, one with a regular boxer diesel Forester and one with a XT Forester. the best out of them is the STi, it’s pretty reliable, no major faults, while the Forester seems to have more issues with electrical and it’s really hard to find bodywork parts. If you have a lot of money and don’t care of the running costs go with the Subaru, if you don’t want to fork money on getting things fixed I would suggest going with a Mazda or Toyota or Honda, it depends if you want a SUV, compact, sedan etc.

People who buy many models of Toyota and Honda cars can reasonably expect their car to last 300-400K miles if properly maintained. Why do most American cars have half that life expectancy (or less)?

If you exclude trucks and SUVs: 1. Toyota Avalon T2. Honda Accord T2. Honda Odyssey 4. Ford Taurus T5. Chevrolet Impala T5. Toyota Camry T5. Nissan Maxima 8. Toyota Sienna T9. Honda Civic T9. Dodge Grand Caravan T9. Subaru Legacy T12. Nissan Quest T12. Subaru Outback T12. Toyota Prius T15. Mercedes-Benz S-Class T15. Subaru Forester One Ford, one Chevy and one Dodge. Four Toyotas, Three Hondas, three Subarus and two Nissans. This is by the same poll based on cars registered on the road with over 200,000 on them. Reliability is another factor in longevity but the most reliable cars do not necessarily make the first list although I think they are worth mentioning. According to tests done by consumer reports: Kia Niro Subaru BRZ / toyota 86 Lexus ES Lexus GS Audi Q3 Toyota RAV4 Lexus IS Toyota Prius Toyota Prius C Infinity Q70 When composing both charts Toyota is the clear winner in longevity and reliability. In other words, the best bang for your buck. I myself drive a Mercedes Benz. My 1990 E-class Mercedes had over 350,000 miles on the odometer when I lost it during the flood caused by hurricane Harvey. I drive Mercedes because I like the driving dynamics of a rear-wheel drive German sedan. Germans put on a more sportier ride on their cars. Much so than cars from any other country. Japanese cars are great in terms of reliability and one cannot argue with that. But they generally lack in overall handling and performance. For that, I go to German sedans. Although I have had many cars during my life, Chevrolet Nova, Chevrolet Malibu, Chevrolet Caprice, Ford F150, Pontiac Sunbird, Mazda RX7, Nissan 300zx, Nissan Maxima, Mercedes Benz 300e, Mercedes Benz C250 Sport, Porsche Cayman, Mercedes Benz GLC. My wife has always opted for smaller and more efficient cars like a Mazda 323, Nissan Sentra, Scion Xb and currently a Kia Soul. Within the list of cars in my household, the Scion and the Kia stand out by far in regards of bang for your money. The Scion had approximately 140,000 miles on it before we lost it during the hurricane. we changed one battery, brakes, tires, filters and during it’s life the only thing it developed was that some of the door electrical switches would work intermittently. Ironically I have seen the same issue with other Scions. The Kia we haven’t had it for long since it’s a brand new car. However, it stands out because of what you get for the price. Aluminum wheels (not covers), leather wrapped steering wheel and shifter boot, harmann/kardon stereo, a pretty big touch display with navigation, HD radio, nice cargo room. The price of building the car in the web comes out to about $23,600. We took advantage of some incentives and landed one for less than $20,000 with all of those features. We’ll see our own long-term test as it goes. But yes, when it comes to trucks, American brands prevail but when it comes to cars, the Japanese brands and specially Toyota are the clear winners.

Is it possible to swap a 6-cylinder boxer engine from a Subaru Outback or Porsche into a Subaru Forester?

Josh…with deep pockets and a shoe horn can make swaps like this happen…and if the engine mounts don’t present any real challenges the next hurdle is mating the new engine to existing transmission…if transplanting engine and trans as a unit. Then drive line issues will need to be addressed…all of the above can be accomplished..you will need to farm out some specific jobs…but you should be ok…the hardest part will be integrated electrics…but good luck it can be a lot of fun

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