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paddle shift transmission for sale Q&A Review

Why do US drivers prefer car automatic transmissions over manual transmissions, when manual shifting and playing with the clutch pedal is part of the fun of driving?

I’m not in the US - I’m that rare beast, a Brit who drives an automatic. My choice was rather made for me when I met my wife; she passed her test in an auto, and as such isn’t permitted by law to drive with a manual gearbox. We only need one car between us, and so it’s an auto. When we first met, she was tootling around in a Chevrolet Matiz (99% of Matizes ever made were this colour - hers was no different) It had a one litre engine, with a three speed automatic box. It was dire, especially if you wanted to go faster than 50mph. At the time, we had a car each. My manual car suffered an accident while it was parked up, and it just so happened that I knew someone who had a Volvo S80 for sale, for not very much money. It was ancient, but nice. I bought it because it was a lovely, lovely car, and thought that I’d just tolerate the fact that it had an automatic box. The S80 was the car that really convinced me, a die-hard manual driver, that automatics weren’t so bad. The five-speed auto box just suited the way the car was - leisurely to drive, comfortable. The car felt like it looked after you as a driver, and the automatic was just part of the experience. Time moved on. My ancient Volvo died, and the Matiz carried on being as horrible as it ever was. We needed a car that suited both of us, and so we ended up with a Fiat Grande Punto. Now, Fiat at the time (perhaps they still do this) had an unconventional style of automatic gearbox. I won’t go into detail, but suffice to say it was nasty, unreliable, and we didn’t have that car for long before getting something else. Step forward, our first Mini. This was the first time that I really had ,fun, in an auto. A six speed automatic box, with paddle shifters. I was soon going up and down twisty country roads in it, enjoying the drive and enjoying nearly as much control as I had when I was driving manual vehicles. We had that car a few years, and felt the itch to upgrade. But to what? The Mini John Cooper Works. This is a car that, day on day, thrills me. Just to look at the picture above excites me, and if I could be bothered to get up off the sofa and look out of the window, I’d be excited to see my own parked on the drive. Special edition models aside, the John Cooper Works is the most powerful, fastest Mini that you’ll get from the factory. Surely this, if anything, is the car where I’d want a manual box? No. We ordered, yet again, an automatic. And in all honesty, if my wife’s need to drive an auto wasn’t a concern, I’d have still ticked the box for the automatic transmission. OK, so yet again I’ve got the paddle shifters. If you put it into full-manual mode, the only time it’ll change for you is if you’re either going to stall or you’re pushing the car so hard you’ll do damage if you don’t change gear. Other than that, there’s none of the hand-holding that our old Mini did, it’ll never do the thing where it thinks it knows best and changes for you. Of course, it’s perfectly drivable as a full auto too, in either sport or normal mode - and that’s how I drive it the vast majority of the time. Even on open country roads where I’m really enjoying every last bend and straight I’ll leave it in its automatic mode. Yes there are times where I want to push it a bit and start making my own gear choices, but that’s out of choice rather than necessity. The simple fact is, modern autos have got to the point where the feeling of not being fully in control over what the car’s doing doesn’t even concern me. Every auto I’ve driven in recent years (Fiats aside) has had a pretty damn good idea as to what gear it should be in, and when it’s needed to change has done so an awful lot faster than I ever could. Rather than leaving me with less control than I had before, I feel that I’m more in control in a modern automatic. I’ve got one less thing that’s dividing my attention up. I don’t have to worry about finding the right second to change gear when I’m driving a tricky road because I know the car will do it at the right moment, in the blink of an eye. I’ve got both hands on the wheel nearly all the time. If I’m in stop-start traffic, I’m not constantly changing gears or using the clutch. Of course, this is all subjective - and is largely down to my own personal feelings. I will sign off with the stats that Mini produce for my car. As a manual, my car will apparently do 0–60mph in 6.3 seconds, and can get 44.8 miles per gallon. As an auto, it’s 6.1 seconds and 49.6mpg. I’ve not verified those figures myself, but it’s clear that Mini think their auto box is better than a human driver.

Do they make sports cars like Lambos and Koenigseggs with automatic transmissions?

Yes, actually all Ferraris, Mclarens, Lamborghinis and Koenigseggs up for sale right now are automatic. None of these manufacturers sell manual gearboxes with clutch pedals. Instead, they use automated clutches. They all have automatic driving modes where you just put your foot on the gas pedal and they go. For more performance driving, they have manual modes where by the use of steering wheel mounted paddle buttons, the driver can tell the car to shift up or down through the gears. This higher level of control shouldn’t be considered manual driving though as the driver does not physically move gears around themselves nor does the driven control the clutches of the car. They are just telling the cars computer that they want to shift. the computer then takes that suggestion and if all the conditions are good for it to shift, it will. The computers will keep you from over or under revving a car and will prevent you from stalling if you are on a track and spin out or don’t provide enough gas when starting to move.

What precautions should I take when paddle shifting my car?

Why bother. you are just “pretending’ to be in control. in the old days of clutches and manual shift the driver operator had to adjust engine speed, and gearing to power needs. this was because a gasoline engine did not produce much power unless the engine was running at a peek, preferred RPM. Humans were rarely any good at that. in the 30–40s, and after the war, mechanical “automatic” transmissions did the job, poorly at first but now they are better than the best trained race driver. Better than that are the electric cars like my Prius which gets 45 mpg and drives nicely. If you are a speed freak , all electric are ideally suited to automobiles since the electric motor produces its highest Torque, which is need for acceleration, at zero speed. Just when the driver needs the most. It always matches driving speed. the new electrics, like Tesla, can “blow the doors off” gas cars unless the gas is well over 1,500 HP top race car. An electric can accelerate 0–60 FASTER than if it was dropped off a cliff and fell by gravity. “paddles” are for canoes and kayaks, good upper body exercise, PS the fully computer driven self driving care are now available and will very soon take over the road. there will be no need to own a car when you can get door to door service with a phone app. All driver jobs will be out of business. Auto sales will be to the big rental companies, houses will not need garages, people will not need auto insurance ( computer car companies will “self insure” because accident rates will drop to near zero) road congestion will be almost gone, cars will cross intersections by timing , not needing stop lights because all the nearby cars will know exactly what each is an will do, bumber to bumper “trains of cars will travel at 100 mph or more with little danger of crashing. Now you know how the “buggy whip and horse drawn carriage” makers and riders felt at the end of 1800 and early 1900 ass the oil companies found they could sell there waste product ,” gasoline” to run dangerous “auto” mobiles . auto means by itself. mobile means move. Have fun there will still be “driving toys” and virtual race cars to shift. Old guy, I can’t wait till I can afford a much safer computer driven car or can rent one as needed. At my age and physical condition I drive very little and only in daylight.

What advantages do manual cars have over automatics now that technology has advanced so much? And is one still preferred over another by experienced drivers?

So many people unable to adapt… But, that’s to be expected. Car communities are full of them. Experienced drivers usually prefer manuals, but it has nothing to do with it being better. Nothing at all. They either enjoy driving (of which gear shift is an integral part) or it’s a simple force of habit. I’m looking at this from the side of Europe, where manuals were the norm until very recently. Simply because automatics were horrible. I know plenty of life-long drivers who went to automatic gear-shifts. Most of them are driving the bigger Toyotas. I know every company I have intimate knowledge of buys company cars with automatics. There are very good reasons for that. One,, you can switch the automatic transmission into a semi-automatic to gain more direct control over the engine (as many other answer claim only a manual can). Two,, fuel consumption is better. It used to be the other way around, but these days automatics save you fuel. If you are running a fleet, it adds up to a hefty sum. Three,, an automatic transmission is more complex and costly to repair. However, unless you suffer a manufacturer error, it will outlive an average manual gearbox. Four,, most people are horrific drivers. They grind gears and don’t know how to properly shift. This was the reason for my friend’s company to go fully automatic with cars for their sales team. They saved big time, despite the car being 10% more expensive because of it. Five, it is safer. The driver can focus on the actual act of driving. When an emergency occurs, she doesn’t have to fiddle with a stick in adition to the pedals and wheel. I am sure there are many bad automatic transmissions (,especially in the cars made for the US market,), but if you have one made in the late half of the last decade and newer, you have a machine that will outdo 100% of drivers. That someone doesn’t ,feel, like it is shifting gears correctly is irrelevant. Hard data say otherwise. And as for special case uses… Someone mentioned rock crawling. I’d direct you to this: This channel is full of overlanding and rockcrawling. Nearly all of them drive automatics, and those that don’t are heard complaining about manuals multiple times throughout the videos. Therefor I conclude that automatic switched into assisted paddle shifting is superior to a manual.

Was the redesign of the 2020 Corvette a wise idea by Chevrolet? Will you consider one or do you prefer vintage models?

The design of the front engine rear wheel drive corvette was taken to the limit of its abilities. Corvette wanted to develop an affordable sport car that could compete with the supercars of Europe, think Ferrari, and many others. The new corvette also inclued paddle shift, which is used in these sport cars both for road and track racing. The transmission is really a manual with auto clutch and auto shifting capabilities. The Ford Mustang also has paddle shift in the Mustang and the new GT500 Cobra. Science only goes one direction forward. There was discussion that corvette would offer both a front and mid engine car. However, the mid engine is the only vette. It has some killer looks. At 72 years old I am thinking of retiring from the sport car and keep my 2010 Mustang GT, it is 13.6 in the 1/4 mile and the traffic in the city really prevents any wild street racing. I just baby the car around, wash, wax and park in garage. If I were younger I would buy a Shelby GT-350 with six speed. However, there is just no place to drive such a car anywhere near its ablity. I have owned two corvettes, first one was a 1975 Stingray convert, four speed with a race engine I built. It was fun but I spent more time fixing then driving. I purchased a 1991 coupe six speed glass top. It was convenient being able to haul my guitars and amplifiers to church and band gigs. Well I love the looks of the new corvette but there is no storage space to haul stuff. Wife did not like to corvetts to hard for grandma to get into and out from this vehicle. However corvette has pre sold all these corvettes and this will be a record sales year for the corvette. If I was rich, lived in the country and had a three car garage and pole barn yes I would own one. good luck to chev for being bold to make such a great car.

Why don't people use electric cars more? What's wrong with electric cars?

All of the historical reasons to not want to buy electric cars just aren't true for the vast majority of people anymore: they cost less, they perform better, they look great, they do what people need done and, oh yeah, they are still more environmental friendly. Right now it's just inertia, availability and marketing that keeps people buying non-electric vehicles. In a few years, it will be impossible to rationally justify buying a gas car for most people, which won't stop a lot of people from continuing to make irrational decisions about their car purchases. Electric cars don't cost more, but it can be front-end loaded, - As has been pointed out, over eight years of ownership a base Tesla Model S costs about ,the same or less, than a Honda Odyssey minivan and has about as much cargo and seating space. With fuel prices being a tenth to a third of gasoline vehicles and maintenance costs being much lower as well, electric cars are cheap to operate. However, that's not the entire story. The up front cost of a Tesla is much higher than the upfront cost of an Odyssey, and so more money must be spent today. Human psychology being what it is, people tend to significantly underplay future expenditures vs present expenditures. Of course, that's for a Tesla. If you start looking at the Nissan Leaf, its internal combustion sister the Nissan Juke is ,more expensive every year ,along the way, so sticker shock isn't an issue. Electric cars perform better than cars in their class, but they don't go vrooom, - Pretty much every electric car has its batteries low in the chassis reducing the centre of gravity and making cornering better. They all have much more low-end torque than equivalent internal combustion cars meaning that they leap away from the starting line faster. Regenerative braking means that disk rotors don't overheat, and usually never even need replacing. The Tesla seven seater sedan famously blows away everything except tricked out muscle cars and exotics in drag races. The fastest production motorcycle in the world is electric, and it won the Pike's Peak race to boot, and not just in its class. You'd think that this would mean the men and women who love performance in their cars and bikes would love electric, but it's remarkable how much of that love is bound up in the aesthetics of vrooom. It's such a dominant force that for their high-end i8 hybrid sports car, BMW actually has set up the sound system to go vrooom so that their customers can pretend they are driving something that uses more gas than kilowatts. However, this will go away eventually. When automatic dual-clutch transmissions and paddle-shifters started making their way into top-end cars, enthusiasts howled. But purity was completely overridden by performance; DCT and paddle-shifts are much, much faster than the alternative and waste a lot less engine power. The same with electric vehicles. They've gone from wimpy to exotic performance in a decade or less; gear heads will catch up. Check out the advances on this electric motorcycle in three years if you don't believe me. Electric cars have more than enough range, but it feels like not enough, - The overwhelming majority of trips with cars are much shorter than the range of even the least of the highway-capable electric cars. Tesla's range is better than other vehicles in its class. And the capper: electric vehicles start out each morning with full range because they get plugged in at night. Most people save 30 minutes or more weekly by not having to go to gas stations. But people tend to think of cars in terms of the much rarer longer drives that they do, not the 99% of driving that they do. In the case of the Nissan Leaf, the annual savings would allow them to rent a larger vehicle for the one or two longer trips and still have money left over. In the case of the Tesla, the Supercharger network is growing rapidly and six day road trips from ,San Diego to Whistler, BC, are no more inconvenient than in a conventional luxury sedan. Electric cars used to look nerdy; not anymore, - Conspicuous green credentials used to involve cars that didn't look like other cars. The Insight, the Volt and others just looked weird and often ugly to many people. Now electric and electric hybrid cars look pretty damned good, or at the very least, indistinguishable from other cars in their class. Some people claim electric cars are actually worse polluters; they're wrong, - If you live in a place where all of the electricity is from coal, then the CO2 from electricity can be greater than the CO2 from the equivalent amount of gasoline, not to mention the particulate and chemical emissions. That's a concern, but strategically, electric cars add electrical demand to grids, giving utilities money to build more generation assets. And those generation assets are invariably much cleaner than coal. The grid is getting cleaner fast while gasoline burned in a car's engine can't eliminate the CO2. Others make the claim that batteries are toxic waste, but they are wrong as well. Used Tesla batteries are targeted for reuse as grid storage or recycling for new batteries. And lithium-ion batteries are actually safe in landfills. There just aren't a lot of electric cars being built right now, - There have been just over 600,000 electric hybrid cars sold to date, which sounds like a lot, but that's over a decade. Meanwhile, in the USA alone over 17 million cars were bought in the last year. Most manufacturers have one or two token vehicles in their lineups but make most of their money from vehicles which have been around in one form or another for ten years or more. There are cosmetic changes annually to make people think something is happening, but in reality they are just more of the same already amortized technology. The vast majority of cars built and available for sale burn fossil fuels. Even finding alternatives can still take work. Some people just hate their warped internal view of anything 'green' ,- They think that people concerned about the environment are pretentious posers, or looking down their noses at them, or trying to eliminate honest jobs... or something. It's really hard to say what's actually going through some people's minds when vitriolic comments like 'greentard' and the like are common, and ,rolling coal, is actually a thing. In their world clean air, clean water and a planet their grandchildren can live on are anti-progress, communist or worse. It's a pretty warped worldview, but it leads to videos like this one. Like my content? Help it spread via ,Patreon,. Get confidential consulting via ,OnFrontiers,. ,Email me, if you’d like me to write for you.

Why do people like paddle shifters? Are there any true sports car fans or pro (long-time) race car drivers out there like them?

Thanks for the A2A. I know a couple of professional racers, and they love paddle shifters on track. And there is a large contingent of people who like them for their street cars, which is why the percentage of Lamborghinis and Ferraris ordered with manual transmissions dwindled to such low numbers before they were discontinued. Paddle shifters *do* offer the advantage of lower cognitive load. You can drive a bit faster without getting overwhelmed by the demands of managing all the controls. Most systems nowadays also manage torque so well that you can get away with shifting mid-corner without upsetting the car, which is usually ill-advised with a manual-transmission car. In general, paddle-shift transmissions allow drivers to go the same speed with significantly less skill and focus than with a manual transmission, which is why partisans of manual transmissions are so smug. Flappy-paddle advocates also brag about the faster shift speed of DCTs. They’re not wrong - dual-clutch transmissions minimize the interval in which power to the drive wheels is cut during a shift. But, unless you’re drag racing, or truly driving to the limit on a road course, these fractions of a second in savings doesn’t have much consequence in outcomes. And finally, people like them because that’s what they see on TV in Formula 1 cars. When you were a kid making car noises with your mouth in the shower, you imagined being a racing driver like the ones on TV. And for the past decade, the ones on TV have used flappy paddles. I’m personally a big fan of manual transmissions for street cars. You can’t drive fast enough on the street for the speed and cognitive load advantages of DCTs to matter that much, but the fun of shifting a manual transmission car never gets old. The sales figures show that I’m in the minority, though, and I’d expect that to be even more true as younger generations become a greater and greater percentage of car buyers.

If manual Ferraris are commanding a premium in the used car market, why doesn't Ferrari design new cars with manual gearboxes?

Hoo boy. For a while I was asking every Ferrari factory rep that I could. (I have a Testarossa, so I’m on their V-12 customer invite list.) There are some sad facts here: Ferrari road cars are pretty much all about leveraging their Formula 1 brand. Literally more about the brand than the actual engineering of the cars. And since the F1 cars all have the paddle-shift transmission, Ferrari wants their road cars to have that also. Don’t believe the “lack of customer demand” argument - Ferrari does financially nonsensical bespoke development ,all the time, for their very wealthy repeat customers. They could do a 6-speed if they wanted to - Graziano and ZF are still selling perfectly fine gearboxes to Aston Martin - but they literally don’t want to, because they think it dilutes the brand. In America we mostly don’t watch Formula 1, so we don’t think of Ferrari road cars in this way, but globally this is very much what gets people to buy the cars. America used to be about 40% of Ferrari’s sales, and now it’s more like 25%. The growth is all in Asia and the Middle East, where almost none of the customers can drive a manual transmission car. They’re also more a-historical there. We think of Ferraris as romantic cars that Ingrid Bergman and Steve Mcqueen drove to sophisticated cocktail parties. (Or in my Testarossa fantasy, I’m Don Johnson chasing bad guys down the Intercoastal.) In China they don’t know any of that and they mostly don’t care. They think of Ferrari as a luxury technology brand, more like the Hermes-edition Apple Watch. They want the ,latest, thing. Hence all the endless drivel from Ferrari about how this new version of the transmission shifts in 0.09 seconds versus the now ,hopelessly outdated, 0.11 seconds of the prior car. This doesn’t mean a goddamn thing to me in practice, but it’s how they get the scions of Chinese industrial concerns to automatically trade in their 458s for 488s like they’re moving up from the Samsung Galaxy 8 to the Galaxy 9. The engineering challenges of a manual transmission and clutch have become formidable in the face of >600–900 horsepower engines. A manual transmission driveline has to stand up to the ham-fisted abuse of drivers who can’t or won’t engage the clutch smoothly, which means ,peak, loads are much higher than steady-state loads. Cars like the Viper and Corvette ZR1 have relatively large and beefy transmissions with big-diameter clutches to address this. But Ferrari wants to make a smaller car without a gigantic transmission hump intruding into the passenger compartment. They need transmissions and clutches that can be packaged more tightly, which means they need to manage the input loads. With a DCT, you can manage the timing of the shift motions much more precisely, and you can use the computers to smooth out the peak loads.

Can you combine a clutch gear box with a tiptronic semi-auto and auto transmission on a same car?

First let me answer your question directly. In theory you could attach the output of the clutch gear box to a secondary flywheel. On that flywheel you have the torque converter for the tiptronic (which is just an automatic transmission with gear selection [much like a regular automatic has 2 and low] across a broader range [1–4,5]). Another flywheel on its output and another torque converter allows the final automatic transmission to come into play. In reality there is no reason anyone would do this ever. The clutch gear box would essentially need to be in fourth or fifth at all times to give high enough RPMs to the torque converter to have fluid engagement. The same would then be true of the tiptronic to full-auto connection. That all being said, if you were looking for a transmission solution that allows for the use of a clutch with the electronic shift selection of a tiptronic, that is available. A Sequential gear box can be utilized with a clutch. Further more there are companies that utilize servos to allow for electronic engagement such as manual pedal/ paddle shift. However these types of gearboxes are typically cost prohibitive for the average driver, with the majority of their sales being for vehicles purpose built and completely dedicated to racing. Finally attaching a clutch to a manumatic transmission such as the tiptronic is impossible as the clutch pack takes the place of the friction component for a manual and an automatic has the friction component inside. The harsh engagement on one would cause damage to the others. Additionally, the tiptronic bell and front housing would need to be rebuilt to cover the fluid flow that is allowed through the input shafts and a new single input shaft that would match the clutch would need to be installed. The pump flow path would also need to be reworked.

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