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Three on the tree?

I learned to drive in a 1965 Chevy truck with 3 on a tree. My disdain for the paddle shift nonsense without a clutch in today's cars cannot be overstated

“@LilDsil: 370z prolly gonna be my next car. gotta have that #Speed with that paddle shift and twin clutch! #Aye” #BishPlease #Swerve

I agree, so sad to see.

I like the feel of a clutch based manual setup too, but I get why they go with paddle shift. Faster response and no clutch to burn up.

Yea paddle shift cool but I rather play with the clutch - SP#Exotics #Muscles

Few things make me happier than seeing someone replace paddle shift transmissions with old school clutch and lever units.

The ones I cannot fathom out are the semi autos they are well weird

Twin clutch with paddle shift is class mate PDK from Porsche is the best tho

paddle shift with clutch Q&A Review

I want to test drive a Ferrari. What are good ways to convince the dealer to allow me to drive one?

There are companies that act like high-end rental car companies, and they will rent you a luxury or high/end sports car. I just checked them out again - you have to have a membership in their program. Not sure what that cost would be... http://lonestarexoticrentals.com A few of their offerings ... Ferrari 458 Spider Engine: 4.5L V8 562 HP Transmission: 7-speed dual-clutch 0-60mph: 3.4 seconds 1/4 Mile: 11.1 sec @ 131 mph Passengers: 2 Ferrari 599 GTB Engine: 6.0L V12 612 HP Transmission: 6-speed paddle shift 0-60mph: 3.7 seconds 1/4 Mile: 11.3 sec @ 126 mph Passengers: 2 ,Ferrari California, Engine: 4.3L V8 453hp Transmission: 7-speed dual-clutch 0-60mph: 3.8 seconds 1/4 Mile: 11.9 sec @ 118 mph Passengers: 2 Ferrari F430 Engine: 4.3L V8 483hp Transmission: 6-speed F1 paddle shift 0-60mph: 3.8 seconds 1/4 Mile: 11.7 sec @ 120 mph Passengers: 2

What type of transmission is it when you have no clutch but you manually shift gears with shift paddles on the steering wheel?

It is basically electronically actuated manual gearbox; manual shifting operation done by electronic means, previously called electronic gearbox. Modern version has its clutch release/engage, gear shifting, gear selection, and engine rpm regulating, controlled by a computer. AlfaRomeo calls their system Selespeed. BMW and Porsche calls theirs Tiptronic. CMIIW, thank you.

Is it true that the Enzo Ferrari's single-clutch automated manual transmission can't operate in a fully automatic mode, but only in the sequential paddle-shift mode?

We have a Fiat with a single clutch automated manual and it works fine in auto mode. if it didn’t there would be no point in automating a manual gearbox, would there?

Why do dual clutch transmissions generally have paddle shifters? Could you make a dual clutch transmission with an H pattern shift knob?

Whilst that's probably possible to do, it's more complicated, and the dual clutch type of gearbox is a “sequential” type of gearbox, so having a standard H pattern would be rather useless, given that you can't (for good and bad) go from second straight to fourth without selecting third. You can only go up or down one gear at a time. So paddle style or the rally style “pull/push” type gear selection is much more logical. This is also how gea selection on a motorbike works - up or down with your left foot (some old bikes have gears on the right, but anything reasonably modern is left side unless modified for riders with disabilities or similar).

Why are all these new sports cars only available in automatic, without a manual transmission option? I get it’s faster but Dual clutch and paddle shifting just isn’t the same.

Isn’t it hilarious how you mention “I get it’s faster…” in your question yet people still reply with “it’s faster.” It goes to show how people don’t always read the entire question. So my answers? Commoners. The common driver in the US doesn’t know how to drive a manual and or look at a car as an extension of themselves. Sell cars with automatics and you attract more buyers. Simple as that. Production. It is easier to mass produce a thing with 1 option than that same thing with 2 options. Safety. People drive stupid. The government knows this which is why they require all sorts of safety enhancements on cars. With a manual transmission the ECU can’t shift itself or control the throttle (without odd consequences like being too low an RPM in a high gear) makes it tricky with the electonics for all the “lets help you make sure you don’t kill yourself since no one taught you how to properly drive” electronics. It is this reason why Subaru is even considering removing the manual from future STIs/WRXs because of not being able to implement all their safety features. Can you imagine an automatic braking system with the engine stuck in gear? The engine will stall, and the driver will think their car is at fault.

Why am I able to shift the manual gear of my car without using the clutch very easily, by just lifting my feet off gas paddle. What could possibly be wrong, clutch assembly or the gear box?

I can’t tell which of the two might have a problem, unless these get opened and inspected. However, if you continue to take this action, your gears may get damaged, since the clutch disengages the gears during gear-shift and if the gears are moving during the dis-engagement/engagement cycle, they may strike and damage their teeth and a major gear-box replacement maybe required.

How do the paddle shifters changes compare to the clutch cars? You used to be able to shift down and feather the clutch and brake beginning at a curve. Does the paddle shifter automatically just shift down and your rpm goes automatically high?

It varies wildly depending on the vehicle. The worst version is a normal automatic transmission with paddles. The paddle tells the transmission to initiate a downshift if possible. This is usually a slow process and doesn't occur immediately. It generally does not blip the throttle to rev match. Early single clutch type electro hydro mechanical transmissions like the F355 F1 or the DB7 actually disengage the clutch, blip throttle, select the next gear down, then reengage the clutch. This happens pretty quickly, but can be clunky. More modern dual clutch versions accomplish this task in as little as .08 seconds. One clutch it's attached to the odd number gears while the other has the evens. So, while one clutch is engaged the other has the next higher or lower gear preselected based on what is currently happening. One thing they all have in common is they will block the shift down request if the projected RPM in that gear will be too high. And the other real difference in the single or dual clutch setups is whether the clutch(s) are wet or dry. Dry clutch setups are less complicated, but can be jerky and grabby. Wet clutches have more complication, but generally allows for a better experience. Vince

What's the difference between a paddle shift connected to a double clutch gearbox, versus one connected to an automatic gearbox?

The simple answer: The gearbox the said paddles are connected to. The more complex answer: How each individual gearbox works. The double-clutch gearbox as the name suggests is a gearbox with two clutches. In principle, the double clutch gearbox is like two manual gearboxes fused into a single gearbox housing. You have one clutch that is in charge of engaging the odd number gears (1,3,5) and the other one deals with the even number gears (2,4,6). Except in this case. there is no physical clutch pedal as the clutches are automated. So for example, say you’re moving along using first gear, the gearbox has already pre-selected second gear, only the clutch in charge of the second gear is disengaged. Pull the ‘+’ paddle and the “even-number gear” clutch will engage, while disengaging the “odd-number gear” clutch. The selector on the odd number gear end will also move to pre-select third gear in preparation for the next upshift. Here is just a little model of a Porsche 993 Turbo to break up a wall of text and has nothing much to do with the question. The dreadful traditional auto As a purist manual transmission lover, I sure can’t be too bothered with an automatic. I am specially ticked off by Toyota’s 4 speed auto, neither did Honda make any autos that changed my mind either. 6 speed offerings from Aisin and ZF, as well as the 7 speed offering from Mercedes Benz fail to impress me at all. The ZF 8HP automatic gearbox is about the only decent automatic I have ever sampled. But, nevertheless, we must move on to it….. In a traditional automatic gearbox though, we are talking about the use of torque converters to get the car moving. The function of a torque converter is pretty much like a clutch. But unlike a clutch, where friction plates are used to couple the engine to the gearbox (and the wheels), the torque converter is basically a fluid coupling. Another thing to note, is that the automatic uses primarily planetary gears. It consists of a sun gear and a couple of planetary gears housed within a planet carrier and a ring gear. The input and the output shafts are connected via an intermediate shaft. While the planetary gear sets are also joined by some clutch packs. Below is a link of a video to illustrate how a traditional automatic works. It will explain the automatic transmission way better than my wall of text will ever do. Automatic Transmission, How it works ? So click this link and watch the explanation as well as the animation. It will help, I know I will be watching it too.

What is the difference between dual-clutch and other paddle-shift and clutchless-manual transmissions?

All transmissions (except those in electric cars) are going to have some fashion of clutch or torque converter to transition power from the engine to the transmission. A dual clutch transmission typically features two clutches as the name implies, but they are automated (no clutch pedal). An advantage of this system is relatively seamless application of power and fast shifting, since one clutch is disengaging while the other is engaging simultaneously. A paddle shift transmission may refer to a dual clutch, single clutch, sequential, or torque converter automatic. Only certain sequential transmissions with this setup have a manual clutch (for starts/stops) and they use a computer to cut ignition/fuel and rev match during shifts. The paddle shift just means that you can control the shifts using paddles on or near the steering wheel. This is a catch-all term. A “clutchless” manual is not actually clutchless, it just typicall refers to a manual gearbox that lacks a clutch pedal and the clutch is actuated automatically.