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Assuming you are talking about India car market, let me give my thoughts. City and Verna are at least 2 generations newer to the VW platform. We cpuld see that VW has updated it's cars with tech and some styling updates to compete with. But it still is a 10 year old design and chassis. Even though it is a solid car, it might have kept the disadvantages of that design which ideally will be updated and rectified in the newer platforms they have. VW global has a new platform calle mqb which IMO should have rectified the limitations the old platform had. The manufacturing costs and that not being suitable for Polo to be a sub 4 meter car, VW India has opted from not bringing that to India. So history and technical aspects apart, it still is a decent looking design which has aged well and still is a solid vehicle. The 1.0 TSI as per auto reviews lacks the initial punch but once you reach a certain RPM, I guess 1500, the power is spread across till a higer RPM which is good. So medium speed city drives are good but bumper to bumper may be irritating. Whereas Hyundai and Honda come with a higher capacity engines and I think the 1.2 turbo of the Hundai isn't that good. So stick to the naturally aspirated engine. So if you like the looks of Hyundai and the new Honda(My favourite) choose between them and not at Vento. Hyundai as always has a lot more features and I am assuming that the build would be good too. Not certain though. I'd not see any specific reason to go to a Vento unless you don't like the other two. I personally bought a VW in 2019 and the as good the car might be, there are some problems that go way upto Passat, like the rear seat being only for 2 people, the FE ofy 1.5 tdi DSG in city traffic is close to 9kmpl, and my friend owns a city which gives around 16. So I'd pick the Honda next time if I can and Hyundai's designs never caught my eyes. Hope I helped, happy driving
Yes you can convert your AMT/CVT car to CNG including the Rapid or Vento. Its one of the most common myth that transmission i.e MT / AMT / CVT /DCT would make any difference on CNG installation. Sorry don’t agree with the answer by Mr. Siddharth Varman. Counter the points mentioned by him as below :- 1)Even after installing CNG tank, you still have 70% space left in Vento or Rapid’s boot or most three box sedans. 2) With modern day CNG conversion systems with OBD autoadaptation and Dynamic Timing advance, performance on CNG is as good as that on petrol you can hardly distringuish the car is on Petrol or Gas. - of course you need to invest in good quality not cheap Chinese products or imitations. 3) Most CNG kits always start the car on Petrol, and switch over to Gas after meeting certain programmable conditions like engine temp, RPM, Gas Pressure etc, to ensure that the Petrol injectors are always wet and no gumming takes place in them. Morever , even while running on Gas, the petrol is always circulated from tank and back. Yes CNG ignites slower compared to Petrol, so some exhaust gases remain trapped in the engine compartment , for this one should invest 1) in ECU with OBD adaptation which meters the fuel fed to the engine, 2) & in a Variable Timing advancer for modern engines, which ensures that ignition timing can be advanced VARIABLY/ DYNAMICALLY to ensure exhaust gases are released out of combustion chamber during the 4stroke process and this device also helps in getting petrol like performance on CNG. 4) Your maintenance remains the same as that on petrol. You need to replace air filter in 10000 kms(as on Petrol) and use Silver electrode spark plugs which have a life of 30000km on Gas (Petrol also you change spark plugs at 20K km) Since CNG burns slower compared to Gasoline for which engine was designed, investing in better quality electronics of car which is not expensive, would prove to be more beneficial in long run specially when you save almost 70% in running costs over petrol. 5) Warranty by VW or Skoda can be an issue within warranty period as they have a way out of the warranty contract - that is true for all car manufacturer. If you install a good quality product, it has a built in OBD scanner on CNG so it can diagnose any car problem also. Morever, there are no wiring cuts or loose end and no check engine lights due to CNG if installation is proper and your calibrator is experienced the amount of CNG/Air going to the engine , would be same as that of petrol /air which means better efficiency, lesser wear and tear or maintenance. Using of JValve Saver lubricants also helps greatly in keeping cars on CNG smoother and enhancing engine life on Gas and keeping maintenance issues at bay. 6) The added weight is max 75 kgs of the tank in the boot - equivalent to one passenger ! As explained above, the performance of the engine not being compromised by using good technology, this additional weight hardly means anything on the pulling power of the car. ! So the point is if you already have a car (not OEM CNG fitted) the similar OE technology is available in aftermarket, but many drivers forget this and try to save in the kit installation costs itself compromising quality, technology and deliverance wherein the problems start. So suggest to go for good quality products and experienced installers do get miles of smiles and savings on CNG. With increasing Petrol pricing, using alternative fuels is the need of the hour and also good for our future and economy.
Both the cars from Honda and Hyundai are one of their most selling cars. Let us compare the Honda City VX (O) MT Petrol and the Hyundai Verna 1.6 VTVT SX(O). Price: Ex-showroom price of City is 11.7 L and price of Verna is 11.35 L. Honda City: Hyundai Verna: Seating Capacity in both the cars is 5. Hyundai Verna: Honda City: Engines: Both are powered with 1.5L petrol engines. Honda City gives 117 bhp at 6600 RPM while the Verna gives 121 bhp at 6400 RPM. So, there is not much difference in producing power among the two. Mileage: Both the cars can give 17 kmpl as claimed by their makes. So no differences here. Both have manual type gear transmission but the no. of gears in City is 5 while the no. of gears in Verna is 6. So, one can have a smoother ride in Verna at higher speeds, mostly above 120 kmph. Below 120 kmph, the ride quality will be mostly equal. Safety: Honda City has 2 airbags while the Hyundai Verna has 6 airbags, which includes the rear row as well. Here, Hyundai is much more ahead than City as it offers such safety at a reasonable price. In braking and traction, both has same features. They have ABS and EBD. Comfort: Both the cars have automatic climate control air conditioners, keyless start/stop button and rear parking sensors with reverse camera. While the Honda City features cruise control and contains rear AC vents, these are missing in Hyundai Verna. Exterior: Both the cars have roof mounted antenna, body coloured bumpers and chrome finish exhaust pipe. While the Honda City gives electrically adjustable sunroof in its latest model, this is not available in case of Hyundai Verna. Lights: Both cars have conventional tail lamps. Honda City has conventional headlamps while the Verna comes with Projector Headlamps. Instrumentation: Instrument Cluster: Both cars have analog instrument clusters. Trip meter: Honda City features 2 trip meters while the Hyundai Verna features 1 trip meter. Gear Indicator: This is available in Verna while the City has no gear indicator. Instantaneous Consumption: This feature is available in Honda City only, while it is not available in Verna. Some other common features are average fuel consumption,average speed, distance to empty, digital clock, low fuel level warning and door ajar warning. Hyundai Verna: Honda City: Entertainment: Both car features Integrated Music System, GPS Navigation System, LCD Display, Bluetooth Compatibility, Steering Mounted Controls. While City gets 4 speakers, Verna gets 2 extra speakers i.e., 6 speakers. Both the cars here misses voice command feature. Ground Clearance: It is same for both i.e., 165mm. Bootspace is more in case of Honda City. This means you have more space in Honda City for luggage than in Verna. These are some differences and similarities which I found. You will get more information on visiting showrooms. Best thing will be going for test drives of both the vehicles and then decide. For more information, click on this: Compare Honda City [2014-2017] vs Hyundai Verna [2015-2017] Some other competitors of these two are: Maruti Suzuki Ciaz Alpha 1.3 Hybrid Skoda Rapid Ambition 1.5 TDi AT Volkswagen Vento Highline 1.2 AT Petrol Hope this helps. Thank You!
Buddy, the cars you compare are from two different categories. Dezire 2017 is a sub 4 meter entry level sedan which rivals cars like the Honda Amaze, Hyundai Xcent, Ford Figo Aspire, Volkswagen Ameo, Tata Zest & Tata Tigor. Ciaz on the other hand is 4 meter plus sedan & rivals cars such as Honda City, Hyundai Verna, Volkswagen Vento, Fiat Linea, Ford Fiesta & Nissan Sunny. There price points are also different as the Dezire starts with a tag of Rs 5.45 lakh for the entry-level petrol model, going up to Rs 9.41 lakh for the top trim diesel AMT. Ciaz petrol trims are priced in the range of Rs 6.99 – 9.34 lakh. Though CIAZ now being a little old is still a better car & according to me it should be your choice. Be safe, Drive Happy! Cheers! Lalit Seth
Volkswagen Ameo is a sub 4 meter compact sedan. Which was absent in the Volkswagen’s portfolio. Its made by Volkswagen especially for Indian Market unlike Polo or Vento which are designed for global markets. Don’t listen to rumours about Volkswagen. Its here to stay and the German giant has long term plans for India. And also don’t compare service and parts cost with likes of Maruti Suzuki, Volkswagen always has better build quality and parts which are obviously more expensive. But Volkswagen made a very late entry in the segment. By late I mean compact sedan segment is not happening segment anymore due to compact SUV(?). Customers are opting for compact SUV more because of high ground clearance and almost identical pricing. So is Ameo a car worth buying? Yes, but Petrol….No! Ameo has 1.2 Ltr. Petrol engine which churns out 74 bhp. I think that is really under powered and feels really sluggish to drive even in the city driving conditions let alone highway driving. So, If you are buying Ameo, go for diesel. But if you insist a petrol car then you may have heard about this one, but I really suggest you to visit a Tata showroom and take a look at this SUV. Its Tata Nexon! Nexon has 1.2 L Turbocharged Petrol engine with 108 bhp power and 170Nm of Torq. Its a pleasure to drive. Airbags and ABS are standard across all variants. And most important part, price starts from 5.85 Lakhs Ex-Showroom. Drive Safe!
Build quality- before new figo and aspire all the ford cars was designed by ford england office. But aspire and figo is designed by brazil ford. Build quality of aspire is mot really good. It may take imact off face to face accident but in rollovers it will not last. While ameo is based on polo. As everyone know polo vento and rapid are safest car under 10 lakh. But ameo have made lot of compromise to make its lenght lower than 4 meter. For ex. Rear bumper is really small. Build qualitu of ameo is really great but because of compromise it will never match build quality of polo. Safety- Both cars have top safety features. Maintainace- ameo will cost you 8000 rs per 15000 km and for aspire its 5000 for 10000 km. So aspire maintaince is little bit lower than ameo. But im the parts failure ameo will win. So at the end both maintenance cost will be the same. Hope it help you.
Dear friend, They are many cars below 13 lakhs from a hot hacth Volkswagen polo gt to status mark sedan skoda rapid and even cute sub four meter suv Ford EcoSport. Because you haven't specified whether you want a sedan or hatchback or an suv. I will try to select the best from all the three segments.. Starting from small, since you want below 13 lakhs which is a huge amount you can try premium hatches like Volkswagen polo gt if you are an enthusiastic driver,but maintening a polo is a bit difficult because of poor service network in India. My advice to you is please enquire about Volkswagen dealer at your place about his relation and behaviour with customers.. Next is compact suv segment : You can go for Ford EcoSport as you will get a high end model for 11.5 lakhs. It has excellent features like ford safety assist system, and 6 airbags, but ford's light steering wheel doesn't bring smile on many enthusiastic drivers..wait for an update of new ford ecosport 2017..One more negative of ecosport is you may feel the interiors boring and you can feel the dashboard is made up of cheap quality plastic.If you don't like these points you can try Hyundai creta. Medium size sedans : Honda city petrol.. Segment leader for its reliability. Hyundai verna.. powerful 1.6lit engine and vast service network. Maruti suzuki ciaz.. Hassle free service, great mileage around 27kmpl for diesel, lower maintenance costs. Volkswagen vento..Driving dynamics,comfort, safety rated 5/5 by ncap, looks, to stand out of Marutis and Hyundais. But high maintenance costs and poor service network in india. Skoda Rapid.. Excellent comfort, status symbol, interiors built with top notch quality plastic, Driving dynamics similar to volkswagen, powerful engine.But skoda's scary customer service in india and poor resale value. Thank you Have a safe and happy drive…
While buying a car in the Mid range Segment, one has to worry about a lot of aspects. Some of them being the resale value, the mileage, services cost, etc. According to me, VW Vento is one of the best cars in this segment. It offers a 1498cc engine producing 108bhp @4000rpm. And being a Volkswagen, it is one of the sturdiest of the sedans in the segment. Don’t worry about the high maintenance costs as the maintenance costs around Rs. 10,000 after every 15k kilo meters. And it is actually worth it. Some of the other top cars in the same segment are the Hyundai Verna, Honda City, Maruti Suzuki Ciaz. You can search about all these on- http://www.cartoq.com
**** Do read till end *** ( I was asked to update this on answer) One night around 10 pm, I was coming back from corporate event, in Volkswagen Vento fairly new, 8K KMs on it and less than 1.5 Years old. The low fuel indicator was ON, when I started in the evening itself, and it was now showing, it will go another 35 KMs DTE (distance to empty). I had to get petrol in the car, so I went to this Shell petrol station en route home, and I noticed the price was 83.05, which seemed expensive, so I asked, to which attendant confirmed that Shell petrol is atleast 2 - 3 Rs expensive then others. I did not want to go another petrol pump then, and neither I wanted to pay extra for full tank. so I asked to fill up for 600 Rs. He filled the petrol, I paid by card, he gave me slip and I left. I exited the petrol pump and drove for around 500 mts, and I saw that, the DTE still shows 35 KMs. I was furious that the petrol pump guy cheated me, and seems like he didnt fill anything at all. Now the petrol pump was located on one highway, with dividers and all, If I had to take U turn and come back it would take more time, so I decided to drive in reverse direction, which was absolutely stupid idea in hindsight. I drove for few 100 mts like that, then I took U turn, and started driving on wrong side to go to the petrol station. It did not take more than 10 - 15 mins for me to reach back. By the time I reached, the lights of the petrol pump were turned off, and they had already blocked the entry to the pump, and were starting to block the exit too, it was time to close down. It made sense, that he would cheat at this time since they are closing, so even if someone will come back, they will find it closed by then. I parked my car right in front of the last car, which was filling up, at the same pump I filled the petrol. They asked me to move the car. I said you guys did not fill petrol in my car, I paid 600Rs. The same attendant who filled petrol in my car, asked me calmly to please park in the side, and assured me there is some confusion. I showed them my dashboard fuel warning. How is it possible that car is still showing no change in DTE, and neither did the fuel gauge changed. To which the attendant replied, that sir, sometimes it take time for it to reflect correct status. I told him, that I drove 500 mts and come back, and then I switched off and on multiple times to show him, it was still the same. I showed him the receipt, as in the image above, he said this is credit card statement, it doesnt say which pump and other details, but i was not provided the same. Then the supervisor came, who didnt look much of supervisor, all these attendants were young probably in 21 to 26 age group. The so called supervisor said, he can generate copy of the pump receipt from inside the office, let me get that. Not sure how could i trust some receipt like that. He got me this. Now since the time, and amount exactly matched, so I knew this was correct receipt. I was planning on collecting all evidences to send complaint where ever possible. But the guy insisted that your fuel gauge is faulty, and its not showing correct. I told him, its a new car, and the gauge was working, because when I started in the evening, it was showing over 50 kms, and its reducing since then. He said, “ sir this happens all the time” supervisor said, it happens a lot with Hyundai Accent, one time someone filled full tank, but it did not move at all, and after they started driving, it was ok. I understood, they want me gone. I said I already drove and came back. Then supervisor suggested, we fill the tank again, and you can see for yourself. he filled again 500 Rs worth petrol, atleast as per pump receipt. Still the Fuel Gauge did not budge, and neither the DTE. I just realised what a fool am I, in either case, whether he was cheating and not filling any petrol, or the fuel gauge is faulty, additional petrol was not going to help. May be he didnt fill the petrol this time too. and I am cheated with additional 500 Rs. By the way, the pump itself is open 24/7 but this was shift change time, and thus they closed all the lights and blocked entry and exit. Now all the attendants from the pump, were on my car, it felt intimidating, I sent these images of petrol pump receipt to my wife on whatsapp. Not sure what would happen next. One of the attendant standing at the rear door, listening to all these discussion and stories gave a bang to car’s petrol tank cap, and BINGO the fuel gauge started rising, and DTE started showing some 100 KMs something. Guys there was no scam, we read about so many scams going around, that we get super suspicious, started making our own conspiracy theories. Reason I am posting this under this question, because I want people keep their sanity also intact, dont distrust people too much. Fortunately I did not misbehave with the guys at pump, but the way I was loosing my patience, I could have spoken ill to them too. Finally, before leaving, I apologised to the attendant, he humbly said “sir yeh meters ka bharosa nahi rehta” (Cant trust these gauges). Update — Few days after posting this answer, while it was still not that popular. I got a message from Shell Manager - corporate office, and he asked me the name of employee who was scamming, he would get them fired right away, because this is not acceptable to Shell. I called him, and explained the situation to him. So really quality conscious. Update —- I was asked to mention readers to read till end, in case if they left in middle, they will take-home wrong message about Shell. There are 100’s of comments vouching for Shell, and their quality / standards.
I own Skoda Rapid 1.5 TDI MT 2015 model and my brother owns Honda City Earth Dreams Diesel VX(O) MT 2015 and I have also driven Honda City Petrol Automatic for few hundreds of kms of my friend, which is almost brand new. My decision would be based on the following questions: Would you drive mostly in (b) a high traffic city or (a) on highways? Would you like a Sedan which is more (a) driver oriented or (b) more family/comfort oriented? Would you frequently have more than two people seating in the car?Would you call yourself an enthusiast who (a) loves driving, and more so at high speed or (b) you would like to go from point A to point B, and care more about the comfort. Do you (a) explore a bit to find something interesting or (b) go with tried and tested stuff Would you possibly (a) hold the car for more than 5 years or (b) you are unsure and might move abroad and might have to sell your car even if you were fully satisfied with it? Would you (a) care too much about simplicity and detailed features or (b) not as much, just want something which looks fine If your answers mostly tend towards (a), then go for Skoda Rapid Diesel DSG Automatic. While if your answers are more towards (b), go for Honda City Petrol Automatic. Now going pointwise, Skoda makes extremely well designed, solid, high quality cars known for solid build quality, handling, stability, even at super high speeds that makes it the ideal highway sedan. The Diesel Manual Transmission Variants come with hard clutch which makes it harder to drive in the city, but it is extremely good for highways. Skoda's safety features and intelligently designed features has no match in Honda or Hyundai or Suzuki. However if you would mostly drive in the city and want a Petrol Automatic, go for a Honda City Petrol Automatic. Both offer a good ride quality. Honda's seats are way better than Skoda and so is the rear legroom. Both have awesome suspension, however, I would say, Honda has slightly better suspension for city driving Skoda Rapid Diesel has a more punchy engine compared to both City Diesel as well as Petrol. And it is way more refined than City's Diesel engine. City Diesel has a very noisy Cabin. While you wouldn't feel much of a difference in the crowded city drive, you would greatly feel the difference on highways when City would leave you desiring for more. I drove City Petrol Automatic from Bangalore to Goa and Rapid from Bangalore to Hyderabad, Chennai etc. I can certainly vouch for the punchy engine, handling and high speed stability of the Rapid over City. Even in braking, although both have ABS, Rapid stops faster and in a much more controlled manner. In terms of steering, I would rate Rapid's steering much higher than City: beyond 80kmph, it becomes harder and so even at 145kmph, it feels extremely safe to drive. For Honda City, beyond 120, it didn't give me the same confidence. Honda city is a great family car though. It has every feature that you may want. Esp, the best comfort. The seats are almost equal to Mercedes Benz. Honda City seats have got absolutely no match in the segment, or perhaps even in the next segment. Skodas and VWs don't have as good resale value as Hondas. So buy only if you want to hold it for more than 5 years. My just 3.5 year Diesel Skoda Rapid now (28K KMs driven) has depreciated already by about 55%. My original on road purchase price was 11 lakhs but now I’m getting only 5 lakhs resale value. So it’s just way too bad. Skoda Rapid comes with several really useful features which are not advertised well. The 2017 top end variant comes with Android Auto and Apple Car play, which is completely missing in Honda City's top end variant. Hondas audio system cannot even stand next to Skodas. It's usability sucks. You can control all the windows of Rapid from your key, something which is a hidden feature. The sound quality in Rapid is top notch even with 4 vs 8 speakers of Honda city. Skodas audio system works much better while driving: it's extremely user friendly and easy to operate. The automatic trip meter in Skoda Rapid is extremely thoughtful and we'll designed. The fuel economy measurement in Rapid works much better than City. The automatic gearbox in Rapid Diesel (DSG) is as at par with Honda's CVT, or perhaps better. In Rapid automatic, gears shift much faster, giving you higher power as well as fuel economy. The Bluetooth call handling of Rapids audio system is way better. All the windows in Rapid are one touch and anti-pinch, making it way safer if you have kids(only driver window is one touch in Honda City. No anti-pinch). The fuel tank supply in Rapid gets cut off in the even of crash. Top end variant in Rapid gets rain-sensing wipers, auto headlamps, rear view camera with sensors. Honda city top end doesn't give you rain sensing wipers or auto headlamps. Although the boot is technically smaller in Rapid, it's design makes it hold lot more luggage than Honda City. We compared and clearly felt the difference. City's boot shape is such that it cannot hold as many suitcases as Rapid. The build quality, the strength of metals used in Rapid is better than City, however both get 5 stars in safety as per ASEAN NCAP Safety ratings. City gives you roomier rear seats, and top variant even gives you Sunroof and six airbags, while Rapid gives you Rain sensing wipers, all one touch, anti-pinch windows (extremely useful if you have a kid), fuel tank supply cutoff in case of crash, can operate all windows with your key. The glovebox, storage spaces in Rapid are much better thought over and useful compared to City. Coming to after sales service, spares, total cost of ownership, I had read lots of bad reviews about Skoda. However, most of it is no longer true. I am running it for 2.5 years, 22,000/- kms. The total amount I have spent is about 18,000/- Rs and obviously I have serviced at regular prescribed intervals and even taken it in between for checkup or top-up voluntarily. The only spare that I needed to replace was Wiper blades apart from the engine oil, fuel filter etc. Update: after 3.5 years, it is demanding to change the clutch plate, pressure plate, release-bearing and flywheel, costing about 40,000/- and all four suspensions for about 30,000/- (including lower arm etc). So really speaking, with time, Rapid and City are almost equal in maintenance cost. On the other hand, my brother, who has run Honda City Diesel 2015 model for about 35,000 km has spent close to 70,000/- RS on service (excluding body repairs). The clutch plate with pressure plate needed complete replacement at 35000 km. In Rapid, if you use it too much in the city, then the clutch becomes much harder with time, making it even harder to use in city Update: I can clearly vouch for the fact that Skoda Rapid maintenance costs and spares cost is much lesser than Honda City. Even body parts in Skoda Rapid cost less than half of Honda City. I compare this, because both mine and my brother’s car met with accident: hit by truck from the left. The extent of impact was much higher in mine, but the damage in Honda City was much higher. Front bumper in Rapid costs about 5–8K, but in Honda City, 15–18K. The rear fender in Rapid cost less than 20K, but in Honda City, it costs 35K. Same with mirrors. I go to Tafe Access, Bangalore for service and so far my experience has been quite good. However, Skoda has lesser number of Service stations when compared to Honda. And the reason is simple: Honda has lot more cheaper cars and it sells lot more. For Skoda, Rapid is currently the cheapest car. However, the capacity of the service stations is lot higher in Skoda I would say at last, do the test drive, explore and pick up. Both cars are good. Update: since April 2019 I moved to Volkswagen Vento Highline TDI AT (DSG) (bought a pre-owned 2015 model) I needed an automatic as Skoda Rapid TDI clutch had become too hard in just 4 years. my leg used to pain to drive it in Bangalore traffic. In my my view, it was the best decision. Everything remained the same as Rapid (yes, Rapid & Vento are cousins: almost same cars: almost all parts are same except exterior body parts) except that I got the comfort of Automatic. It additionally got Cruise Control (Rapid was mid variant, Vento is top variant), softer suspension compared to Rapid, better seats, better resale value, more service centers (though costlier), and overall better service.
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