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TL;DR, ,It is not going to be much of a deal at all. This is an american problem. TL;DR 2, edit;- read the PS at the bottom.Interesting stuff. Now I'll qualify;- America has the most draconian emission laws on the planet, for diesel engines in cars. (I wonder why, please don't go all NoX at me) The testing for emissions in europe does not use rolling road or dynamometers, it is an electronic pick up that is placed in the exhaust, another in the engine oil to read oil temperature, it is holding the engine at a certain regime for a certain time, that's it. The limits are massively below american limits. The car does not know it is on a dyno, and the test is so brief that no code/program would ever be able to recognise a test like that, the car would be forever jumping in and out of "limp mode" and they wouldn't sell cars. It is going to affect the cars controlled under the EPA regulations, an expensive recall yes, but not catastrophic for VW. They are probably laughing about it now. There will be repurcussions, because this "sudden agenda" is here for a reason, now. There will be returns of this favour, the germans don't forget things for long. An 18billion fine will be brushed off pretty easily, and then in a couple of years there will be a ,revenge shooting,. Quite apart what this is going to do to the american used car market. And the clincher. The static dyno test is only for fixed driving conditions, it's a parameter test. It doesn't take into account for "driving style" , the driver clogging uphill in fifth gear with molten soot pooring out of the tailpipe caused by the poor combustion, it doesn't take into account the person lugging along with an overloaded vehicle and alternatively flooring the accelerator and letting it off as quickly. The driver in an autobox forever kicking down. It only takes into account for "ideal conditions", which is ridiculous. In the meantime, it is going to make a temporary boost to the american car manafacturers benefit, after which VW will be back, with all the others and they will take it one step further. They weren't joking when they said "deutschland über alles", they meant it, ,one way or another,.(this is not political incitement) The germans will take this to heart, even though they are in the wrong. American products and services will suffer as a result. This happened when the Guinness brewery took the germans to court over the german "pure beer" laws. They won, and were legally allowed to sell Guinness as a pure beer in germany. To which one of the top people at the time said; "Yes, well done, you have won the battle, but no one will drink it." He was not wrong. They have collective attitude. So to finish, there will be a deal struck, money and political agreements will exchange hands. And things will go on as normal. America does not need a growing commercial war with europe, or with china, but it does seem that there is a whole lot of "sabre rattling" going on. Instead of just controlling the competition with ever harder rules, it would be better to ,make better cars themselves,, because all that those controls are doing, is inciting european/chinese/korean builders to find better ways to make cleaner engines, better than the american makers, they are far more tenacious at it than the home builders, they have territory to gain. It is laughable to think that europe is going to force a recall of VW/etc in europe, it's already gone from the news, ,nothing to see, move along,. EDIT;- Hot from the press. The europeans are homolgating the future test procedures at this moment in time, to bring every body into line. Exhaust fumes testing is currently at 1.5ppm all in "opacity", the vehicles are not all tested specifically for Nox. The station owner tells me that starting at the end of next year, (minimum), vehicles will be tested for "5 gases" and opacity, (soot ,et al,). The agreement on what level will be a maximum has not yet been reached. https://www.dieselnet.com/standards/eu/ld.php although european standards are defined today, the emission control is only on overall opacity. 1.5ppm. Petrolheads and interested parties are going to really like the test procedures in th UK, on this page here;- Page on www.gov.uk It tells you all about how they do it over the pond. Same here in France. No Nox control. nope nope noppity nope. Another year and a half maybe. That doesn't mean that the car is supposed to have a limit at manafacture, but that's another topic. This is about the current test scandal for road going vehicles on the road now.
The ,"defeat device", used is a specific code embedded in the vehicle’s onboard computers that can detect when emissions tests are taking place. ,During testing,, the code automatically makes the engine emit far less pollution than normal. When running ,during normal driving ,conditions, these engines can emit 10 to 40 times more harmful NOx into the air. The Volkswagen and Audi diesel vehicles in question feature a “,Dyno,” and “,On Road,” mode, the previous of which is used for testing purposes when a ,vehicle is on a dynamometer., Since testing for vehicles is often done on dynos, a test mode is necessary so that other safety features such as traction control and stability control do not kick in. The ECU receive inputs from the ,movement of steering, as well a,s accelerator pedal. ,Generally during testing, vehicle need to ,accelerate at higher pressure on pedal ,whereas steering movement is less/zero motion. Software apparently detects the fact that the ,car is running at a constant speed while the steering wheel is completely stationary ,and infers that it is on ,Dyno mode. ,It then switches to a different engine program that provides the required pollution control. Essentially, when the vehicles were put into the dyno mode for testing, the engines were detuned to meet emissions targets. Once the vehicle was restarted and taken out of test mode, they emitted 40 times the federal standard of nitrogen oxide.
Diesel fuel in Europe is different than that sold in the US...this is a pretty accurate article: ,Why European Diesel Cars Are Not Available in the U.S. California emissions standards, which have been adopted by 13 states are quite stringent. The American cars pass the tests...the systems are in place and function normally when the cars are tested by EPA standards...on a dyno (a machine that runs a simulation on the car and only the drive wheels spin). It allegedly has been found that when the system recognizes onmy drive wheels spinning (on a dyno) they go into "test mode". When the un-driven wheels are spinning, they go into a different, non-compliant mode. It has nothing to do with differing standards, but with actual gaming of the system. More info direct from VW: ,Volkswagen Diesel Information